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 Post subject: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:59 pm 
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Yo Peter,

I am thinking about building a Tramper like trailer for my Astro. Mine of course would have a 3" drop, be black, and have aerodynamic superiority over the current Tramper design. :yawinkle:

Would you be kind enough to post up (or link me to) some pictures of your Tramper build? I am wanting to formulate my plans now while I am getting the LT1 up and running. (BTW, I still want to line my little 360 LT1 up against your ZZ Monster)

Thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:46 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:49 pm 
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Fun you should bring that up i was looking into building a place to start cutting up that 95 i have

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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:21 pm 
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I'll see what I can dig up for ya! There are a few things I woulda done differently. Then again, hindsight is always 20/20 :smurf:

As far as running against ole ZZ, you shouldn't have a problem if you're 2wd and running around 400 horsies. Remember, I'm cutting 13.9's as is, but she's a fat, lifted un-aerodynamic pig. The engine develops 502 hp with open headers, not with my restrictive OEM manifolds (although the stocker s.steel manifolds have been modded for more flow, headers they ain't). I'm betting I make somewhere around 440-450 hp max! I'm a iron-blocked (though alum. headed) big block with a heavier 4L80 tranny, heavier NP240 t-case & heavier 9" rear, not to mention a front diff assembly as well. I'm sure I'm pushing 5000+lbs.

You should be able to make short work out of me if you're running just 400 hp in your 2wd. On the other hand, if you decide you wanna tackle ole ZZ on an incline while we're towing our respective Trampers, then bring it on sister :smurf:

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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:22 pm 
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Here we go. [-o<



You'd have figured that the mods of this site woulda put up a sticky warning newbs about how to NOT get me goin', huh Larry :muhaha:

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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:06 pm 
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Thanks for looking into the Tramper details. I think it would help.

After doing some more number crunching and a few changed in my build for reliablity, I am probably only going to be putting something like 350-375 to the rear wheels. But with rolling back some of the HP build features I can have better MPG and still run a 150HP shot of wet Nitrous and go when I need to. Hard to tell at this point, first I have to get it to idle....

Now, I did want to make note of something here... You keep talking about how "big" your tires are, and how impressive they are. While, mine not be as big as yours but I would venture to say, are more fun to ride on the the street. I mean, 10" wide is nothing to scoff at, and when they grab hold I have traction all day long. on that....

How do you deal with your springs? Do you have traction bars or ladders? I am thinking I need to ditch my fiberglass spring and replace it with some metal springs and a set of traction bars to help wheel hop. With the old V6 those tires got so much grip the wheel would hop badly on a good launch.

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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:25 pm 
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I insisted on maintaining the ride quality of a stocker, so I used lift blocks out back to raise ride height. Because I didn't listen to Deano and simply slap in an extra leaf or so, axle wrap was so bad I actually encountered a situation where the tires literally rotated themselves into my wheel wells....and this within the 1st 30' of ZZ's maiden "run around the block".
I must brag about the ride being relatively smooth though, compared to if I'd added the 1-2 more leafs to raise my rear. This was my daily driver, I didn't wanna jar my bones loose every time I got behind the wheel. The roads in Quebec are an abomination, really!

Oh, and yes. Good ole-fashioned home-made traction bars. I looked into some new-fangled anti axlewrap system being touted as the best but the manufacturer couldn't promise me that their aluminum and bushing setup would withstand the salt we use here in the winter.

My tires are more than 10" wide. The rims are 10" but the tires (at least the 1st set of BFG A/T 325/60 x 15's) measured out to around 12" at the tread. My newer Kumhos (in the same size) are a bit narrower, though...

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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:50 am 
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Ok, I will give you that your tires are bigger, and wider, and you might even have better traction when it's wet and slippery such the common scenario in Canada. BUT, down here in Texas where it is hot, and the roads are (for the most part) very well maintained, things are a bit different. I think you will find that my 255/45-R18's will tear up the road quite nicely. I have yet to have anyone complain about the ride in my van. Not to say that big tires such as you have don't also have a place, but it tends to be playing in the mud.

I agree that good old fashion traction bars are probably the way to go. I plan on building a set such as they are outlined here...
http://www.hotrodsandhemis.com/Traction.html

I will be making a set of those, and I will do a write up on it.. Did you happen upon those Tramper build photos?

:cheers:

-X

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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:26 am 
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he'll get around to pics eventually since he'll be showing off.
the roads in quebec are.... something else i'm heading down there this weekend going to set my shock to absorb as much bump as they can.
texas roads are SMOOTH compared to what we get here lol except for those big holes they sometime leave open when doing road work (do you know the ones i mean the one that truly take most of the car into it and once your in you need a tow truck to get out.....)

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G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:15 am 
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I'll post 'em up this weekend. There are so many to choose from, it'll take awhile to figure out which ones to post. I may have some pics of the traction bar build-up as well.

My tires are wider than yours, but I never claimed they had more traction on pavement. On the track especially, they gave me a real hard time. A/T's aren't exactly the "hot set-up" when it comes to on-road gripabilitification.
What? It's a word, really 8-[

Of course I'll be showing off, Cobra. After age 45, there's precious little else I can do :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
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i'm not sure i'm following the motive on comparing off road large fat tires on a lifted van to rubber band tires on a lowered van? other than being round, black and made of rubber.... it's apples to oranges.... no .. to grapefruits... nooo.. bananas ... tomatoes!? hmm, i'm hungry..

let's get back to the tramper secret plans lol .. mmwwoohahahaha :-k :peep:

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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:08 pm 
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Go for it bud,,you da man.

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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:42 pm 
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I think as far as horsepower you will be fine, as Petey pointed out, you are 2wd, so far less weight, also he went a little overboard with the ammenities.. (it is hard being out in the woods when you are used to being so prissy and pampered all the time, i guess..) You could easily shave some weight off the trailer.. especially if you are going with smaller tires and more of a lowered look. You may even be able to dump the rear axle and put a regular trailer axle in there.. (that diff has some weight to it..)

I would DEFINATELY change the fiber leafs over to steel ones without hesitation if you are going to be pulling the trailer and running higher horsepower..

Now hurry up and finish the van so we can see another trailer project!!! :bounce:

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 Post subject: Re: Tramper Build data request
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:04 am 
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Pay no attention to my rubber ramblings, they are really of no consequence to this thread. I am aware of the traction differential of on vs. off-road tires. I was just attempting (very poorly) to engage in witless banter. :dunce: So be it...

I am working on getting the van fired up... I just keep coming across little things that I want to get "right" while I am working on it. I know that once it is buttoned up and running I will be very hesitant to go back and do anything over because I will want to move on to other parts of the project. So I will continue to slog through it. #-o

I am thinking of adding a flat rear "deck" behind the barn doors wide enough to allow me to put a dirt bike up on it. Also I think this would help balance the trailer out a bit. But I am going to reserve my plans until I see the feedback from Peter.

-X

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I would highly recommend that you get your new motor 'dialed-in' and running well, with a few thousand miles under its belt first.

Before adding a 17k + lb slug to tow.....

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