Brake Project
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Brake Project
Well, it appears that I must replace the front brakes, rotors included. Midas wants $495 for the job, but I know that's a lot of shekels to part with for a relatively easy job.
She's the 98 AWD with ABS. I've replaced pads before, not a difficult task. I've never replaced the rotors before. That's why I'm asking for some assistance.
Do I look for AC/Delco parts (OEM) or do I go for Bendix or some other brand? I do know that one sometimes must pay for quality and durability, but there are so many brands available.
Because the beastie has ABS, do the front rotors need the reluctor ring? Are the bearings and races included?
She's the 98 AWD with ABS. I've replaced pads before, not a difficult task. I've never replaced the rotors before. That's why I'm asking for some assistance.
Do I look for AC/Delco parts (OEM) or do I go for Bendix or some other brand? I do know that one sometimes must pay for quality and durability, but there are so many brands available.
Because the beastie has ABS, do the front rotors need the reluctor ring? Are the bearings and races included?
Mike, Billings, MT, 'MERICA!
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Re: Brake Project
one the AWD's the rotor just slides onto the hub can't get any easier, the ABS sensor is in the hub no need to worry about it. I can't comment on rotors i've only ever used my house brand ones and never had a problem
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Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
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Long tru-cool 4590 trans cooler
1997 gone
Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
Long tru-cool 4590 trans cooler
1997 gone
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Re: Brake Project
If I understand what you're saying, it's kinda like changing a tire. Just remove the caliper, pop off the old rotor (no tools needed) and reassemble, right?
Mike, Billings, MT, 'MERICA!
92 Safari SLE w/Z Motor (sold to a good home)
98 AWD Stro LS
93 Suburban Silverado 4x4
Look for the MISSING Alien in the Right Seat. AL, PHONE HOME!!!
92 Safari SLE w/Z Motor (sold to a good home)
98 AWD Stro LS
93 Suburban Silverado 4x4
Look for the MISSING Alien in the Right Seat. AL, PHONE HOME!!!
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Re: Brake Project
yup
1998 GMC Safari AWD, BFGoodrich AllTerrain T/A
Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
Long tru-cool 4590 trans cooler
1997 gone
Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
Long tru-cool 4590 trans cooler
1997 gone
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Re: Brake Project
Muchos gracias, mi amigo. You have just managed to save me about $200.
Mike, Billings, MT, 'MERICA!
92 Safari SLE w/Z Motor (sold to a good home)
98 AWD Stro LS
93 Suburban Silverado 4x4
Look for the MISSING Alien in the Right Seat. AL, PHONE HOME!!!
92 Safari SLE w/Z Motor (sold to a good home)
98 AWD Stro LS
93 Suburban Silverado 4x4
Look for the MISSING Alien in the Right Seat. AL, PHONE HOME!!!
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Re: Brake Project
CaptSquid wrote:Muchos gracias, mi amigo. You have just managed to save me about $200.
you will need a 55 torx if the calipers have not been replaced before, 11mm on the line, 15 mm on the slider assembly bolts. an impact gun will be your friend with the caliper mount bolts , sometimes.
the usual failure of the calipers is the slider bolts seizing, there is an excellent fix so that it never happens again, with your new caliper slider assembly, drill and tap for a 1/8th grease (zerk) fitting for each pin, so four zerks on the front, this gives you four grease fittings pointing at you when you take off the wheel, be very carefull checking the slider pin boot, pull it out and check for cuts from installation. if i remember correctly, the correct letter drill size is "Q", which if I remember correctly is very close to 21/64. there are zerk fittings that you can just drill and hammer in also, no tapping, anyway , you know what goes next, you can now grease your sliders. it is kinda cool when you do this as it centers the rotors by moving the caliper and makes bleeding easier, grease guns make a lot of pressure,.
always use anti-seize compound on the bolts with reassembly, torque them to spec.
buy a "fully loaded" assembly.
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Re: Brake Project
I bought a set of Brembo rotors at Tire Rack and they were great. I had a set of these on my 98 and they never gave any issues. I also have used the basic auto parts store brands (all made in china now) and have good luck with them as long as the lug nuts are torqued every time the wheels are off.
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Vans owned:
1986 Safari 2.5L 4 speed manual - scrapped
1995 Astro 2WD conversion 4.11 posi, shift kit, DHC rock rails - sold to Skippy
1998 Astro 4x4 D44, D60, NP231, full hydraulic system with 9k# Milemarker winch and snow plow - sold to Lockdoc
2003 Astro AWD all stock - traded for a 3/4 ton truck
2005 AWD, 4.10's - sold to skippy
2013 Toyota Tundra DC 4x4
2008 Dodge Nitro 4x4
2005 Nissan Sentra 1.8S Special Edition
Mileage spreadsheet
Vans owned:
1986 Safari 2.5L 4 speed manual - scrapped
1995 Astro 2WD conversion 4.11 posi, shift kit, DHC rock rails - sold to Skippy
1998 Astro 4x4 D44, D60, NP231, full hydraulic system with 9k# Milemarker winch and snow plow - sold to Lockdoc
2003 Astro AWD all stock - traded for a 3/4 ton truck
2005 AWD, 4.10's - sold to skippy
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Re: Brake Project
i swear that has got to be the most important way to avoid warped rotorsLiftedAWDAstro wrote:torqued every time the wheels are off.
1998 GMC Safari AWD, BFGoodrich AllTerrain T/A
Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
Long tru-cool 4590 trans cooler
1997 gone
Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
Long tru-cool 4590 trans cooler
1997 gone
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Re: Brake Project
Cobra wrote:i swear that has got to be the most important way to avoid warped rotorsLiftedAWDAstro wrote:torqued every time the wheels are off.
maybe I could have you come and do a talk in my shop, simple rule, i can discern the sound of an impact gun tightening wheel nuts from 250 yards,
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Re: Brake Project
Just break one of the guys' arms and the rest will listen!brokenwrench wrote:maybe I could have you come and do a talk in my shop, simple rule, i can discern the sound of an impact gun tightening wheel nuts from 250 yards,
Current rides:
2013 Toyota Tundra DC 4x4
2008 Dodge Nitro 4x4
2005 Nissan Sentra 1.8S Special Edition
Mileage spreadsheet
Vans owned:
1986 Safari 2.5L 4 speed manual - scrapped
1995 Astro 2WD conversion 4.11 posi, shift kit, DHC rock rails - sold to Skippy
1998 Astro 4x4 D44, D60, NP231, full hydraulic system with 9k# Milemarker winch and snow plow - sold to Lockdoc
2003 Astro AWD all stock - traded for a 3/4 ton truck
2005 AWD, 4.10's - sold to skippy
2013 Toyota Tundra DC 4x4
2008 Dodge Nitro 4x4
2005 Nissan Sentra 1.8S Special Edition
Mileage spreadsheet
Vans owned:
1986 Safari 2.5L 4 speed manual - scrapped
1995 Astro 2WD conversion 4.11 posi, shift kit, DHC rock rails - sold to Skippy
1998 Astro 4x4 D44, D60, NP231, full hydraulic system with 9k# Milemarker winch and snow plow - sold to Lockdoc
2003 Astro AWD all stock - traded for a 3/4 ton truck
2005 AWD, 4.10's - sold to skippy
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Re: Brake Project
lol i wish i could do that here people just don't give a damn about doing the job properly
1998 GMC Safari AWD, BFGoodrich AllTerrain T/A
Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
Long tru-cool 4590 trans cooler
1997 gone
Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
Long tru-cool 4590 trans cooler
1997 gone
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Re: Brake Project
With your level of inexperience you should just have the professionals do it for you.
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Re: Brake Project
how do you get experience if you always have someone else do it.....?
1998 GMC Safari AWD, BFGoodrich AllTerrain T/A
Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
Long tru-cool 4590 trans cooler
1997 gone
Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
Long tru-cool 4590 trans cooler
1997 gone
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Re: Brake Project
Someone who asks these types of questions should at the very least have someone there to talk them through it. Sounds like he doesn't have (or can't follow) a service manual. This isn't the guy I want coming up behind me at a stop light.