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 Post subject: rear air bag / leaf spring quesitons
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:21 pm 
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I was considering installing a relatively inexpensive air bag levelling kit in my 94 with the mono leafs.

the composite leafs are horrible when there is ANY weight in the back end. throw a person or two in the back row of seating and there goes the ride. my shocks are only a few months old (belltech). they seem fine. it's merely the load issue.
for something like a universal kit if there is such a thing. i've heard of air lift but it seems a bit pricey for what you get. the one i've seen before came with a little gauge and compressor etc.. everything needed and it was around $150

any questions input comments advice? lol

editL read further down.. i've changed topic to leaf springs.. LOL ](*,)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:46 am 
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ok.. well I've looked all over and can't find any full info, only bits and pieces.

composite to steel leafs on a 94 ext WITH a flip kit

what all is required for this swap? apprarently socali had this documented on as.com but after the corruption it's either gone.. or really well hidden.
pm's get hacked off over there so that's useless .. you get a reply with no info except your question back in a quote box ](*,)

some say springs only are needed, some say hangers, shackles and springs.. some say just springs and longer bolts for the flip kit.. some say more new hardware is needed for the flip kit and others say you need a difffrent flip kit ](*,)


.. can anyone help?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:54 pm 
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I dont think it is worth your time... The stock steel springs are just as soft and bouncy as your composites... I guess you could at least add a leaf though

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:16 am 
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well that just sucks.. lol

i suppose it's tibrens (expensive for rubber bumpers) ... or airbags

anyone have any experiece with monroe max air shocks?
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monroe load adjusting shocks (the ones with the coil around them)?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:59 pm 
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I was wondering how long it'd take for someone to notice..

as for the shocks they won't work.. ah well .. looks like airbags are the only way to go.

i'll start saving my pennies

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Rob, check this link.

http://www.stengelbros.com/SteelReplacementSprings.htm

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:06 pm 
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thanks!

I dunno.. call me cheap but $400 seems a little steep. and that's US funds too .. eek! 8-[

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I have a set of the Max airs for the astroin my garage.... but they are to long... I figure I will find a use for them sometime

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:42 am 
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When I did the swap I called logals in kichener and told them I needed every thing that bolts to the body for a steel leaf conv and for $100 a side I got everything incuding all the hardwear and iso clamps (they are different) I did the swap from comp. to steal in a day on a hoist at work with air tools. Tha newer cargos have a extra leaf in it if that helps. I am going to do my spring over this summer and install the cargo leaf . I am planing to buy another trailer this summer so I will post how it works

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:04 pm 
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Rob,

Did you get those Timbren's I sent you installed yet and did they make a difference?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:39 pm 
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I've got AirLift bags on the back of mine and they were easy to install and work great. I highly recommend them. I got 'em on ebay. Read my sig for all of my set-up details.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:39 pm 
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Hey Tristan.. I haven't had a chance to install them yet. When I've had the time Jen's had the van.. when the van was here.. I haven't had the time. Ain't that just the way it goes .. LOL

I had a chunk of carbon jammed in the EGR valve after an unexpected trip to Windsor.. thankfully it was right when I got off the highway and was about 3min from my house as opposed to 3hrs.
After fixing that, instaling the EGR gasket with the screen and changing the serpintine belt. I've had to change a heater core in my mom's car. Change the oil in both the dakota and astro. Paint the hallway and dining room in my house.. and get ready to tear apart the livingroom to do the same in there. Oh, and build Jen and I two new pc's... and repaired two for other people. I need more days in a week.

When I do get them installed i'll be sure to post the results.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:34 am 
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Have steel springs and airbags on my Safari(Has Been)AWD . Rides pretty rough running empty , but if you put a load on her it smooths out . Probably would be better with real rubber instead of low profile crap . Have some 235/75/15's going on real soon . Van came with this set up . Had to replace one bag already and lucked out with an old scrap yard dog buddy selling me 2 complete with brkts , lines and mounting kit for $70 canbuck . Best price seen for pair was $300 canbuck .


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